Subject: [IFETS-Discuss] Student Help; Fancy Flash
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Date: Sat 17 Jun 2000 - 23:45:32 MEST
From: cabarto@amug.org Subject: [IFETS-Discuss] Student Help; Fancy Flash Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:45:32 -0700
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> MArtin mowen@rem.bangor.ac.uk writes:
>
> There is a concerted need to take the guidlines offered by the UK academic
> community and convert them into a "standard for service provision" which
> take educational context and then addresses the service requirements of
> the technology.
And also a need to hold Macromedia, Netscape, Apple, Sony, Sun (MS goes its own way) to their responsibility in
getting delivery inexpensive for students and expedited for educational content providers. Not just standards, but a
subsidized program for assembling CD's as units, with plug-ins, mounting help, course content, Help Site URL's, etc.
We expect the text book publishers to help students for all the money we send them via adoptions. Viewed world wide,
the money to be spent by governments, colleges and individuals to gain access to higher ed should be matched by
outlays from providers. They (Sun, IBM, Apple, etc.) can get together for standards, and open architecture. How
about for supporting the down and dirty details of delivery?
>
> From: Mary Harrsch mharrsch@oregon.uoregon.edu
>
> . . . some students are particularly talented . . . [but] designing coursework requires intense collaboration with
> the instructor, an understanding of the learning process and mature communications skills. . . understanding
> organizational structure, the political environment, and competitive market conditions. Few students would have
> sufficient life experiences . . . [then] are often erratic and hopefully, they graduate and move on.
But isn't all this just as true about students as research assistants, graders, TA's, or undergraduates taking on
projects? Isn't this part of our obligation to students and to the academic and productive sectors?
It is true that students are not going to do well with the tedious aspects. But why not hold those making money from
VLE's, responsible for the tedium. Isn't this what Blackboard has done?
Apple has made Appleworks a common place for students, and continues to bring the price down. Apple has made
QuickTime, and Macromedia has made Flash so accessible and enticing that students might now see "learning objects"
as creatively as they see "awesome objects".
>
> From: Hoyet Hemphill hhemphill@netg.com
> The situation with online learning reminds me of the initial phase
> of desktop publishing. People would add special fonts, styles and graphics
> . . . bells and whistles . . . using a different (e.g., more technologically complex) medium doesn't necessarily
> affect the learning outcome. . .FLASH has
> some terrific uses but if people have to wait, . . . worth using thumbnails or descriptions and giving people the
> option of viewing.
Or the option of listening, interrupting, fast forwarding, asking for a synopsis, clicking for a glossary entry,
etc. There is a long way to go to make it a hyper-learning environment.
We were hypercritical of the 80's early educational programming efforts, and now wish we hadn't been. I have some
classic pieces from the days of the Mac University Consortium for which I need to haul out OLD technology to deliver
to students.
The best thing we did during the late 80's, early 90's, using killer apps, was to hand to students a work product
that combined cleverness (and some silly bells and whistles) along with educational effectiveness. We encouraged
students to do the same. But until hyper-text, and then the W3, the only app that came up to meet our instructional
efforts was the spreadsheet.
Just-Enough, Just-in-Time learning for sales and profit is very much with us. Also the development of web
programming tools to cash-in on it, albeit still clumsy. We can now work with these tools (and perhaps focused
students) to put our heads into streaming content into open minds.
Apple and Sun won't come to our offices like book reps, but we should be able to get them to help us make packages:
all-in-one CD's, new-edition--easier-to-use with each new semester. Maybe scholarships for student programers too.
Gene Schmidt
Scottsdale Community College
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