Anastasios G. Koutoumanos (tkout@softlab.ntua.gr)
Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:01:49 +0300
From: "Anastasios G. Koutoumanos" <tkout@softlab.ntua.gr> Subject: Re: Androgeny and Pedagogy Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:01:49 +0300
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Hello all,
just some etymologic remarks from a Greek listener of your interesting
discussion...
Androgeny (as quoted in the subject of the initial message) has nothing
to do with pedagogy. As for "Androgogy", it would actually be
"Andragogy" in Greek, from the words "ANDRAS" (meaning a male person)
and "AGWGH" (Agogy) which is actually means the upbringing but has also
the meaning of 'education'. The catch is that this word is not used in
Greek (i.e., it is not in the Greek vocabulary). Another issue is that
there is a Greek word for a male person (ANDRAS, pronounced a'ndras), a
female person (GYNAIKA, pronounced gine'ka) and for a word for both
(more like man, i.e. AN9RWPOS, pronounced a'ntropos, like antropology).
So if we actually needed another word, instead of pedagogy, to use for
adult education, it would be better to use something like
'antropagogy'...
BUT, the point is that the reason for not having a word as pedagogy or
anthropagogy in Greek is that 'pedagogy' is used interchangeably to
express both the upbringing of children AND continuing education of a
person, both in a controlled environment (i.e. school) and in the real
world (family, community, personal readings, etc.)
As for "Pedagogy" itself, it is actually PAIDAGWGHSH in Greek
(pronounced pedago'ghsh) and comes from "PAIDI" (pronounced pedi',
meaning child) and "AGWGH".
So what is the bottom point of all this. That the Greek language is
supportive for Andrew & Pamela Seaton in their belief that there is not
a need to use another word in order to describe adult, life-long
learning. Pedagogy is life-long. Or, if you'd certainly want to use
another term to distinguish children and adult education, you could go
for 'DIAPAIDAGWGHSH' (dia-pedago'gisi, dia- meaning for/via/etc. (life))
and use it as diapedagogy or whatever...
And for those of you interested, some of the words used for education in
Greek
EKPAIDEYSH (ekpe'defsi) - education
AGWGH (agogi') - upbringing, civics, education, ...
DIAPEDAGWGHSH (dia-pedago'gisi) - breeding, edification, education,
tutorship, ...
MORFWSH (mo'rfosh) - culture, education (more like the personal
'culture' that each person holds...)
DIDASKALIA (didaskali'a) - teaching, instruction
MA9HSH (ma'9hsh) - learning
There goes the Greek lesson!
Tasos
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:34:49 +1000
From: Andrew Seaton <aseaton@tpgi.com.au>
Subject: Androgeny and Pedagogy
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---Yes, Susan. After all, which of the underlying assumptions of androgogy quoted by Susan Osborn applies significantly less to young people than to adults?
Cheers
Andrew
>-Learning is lifelong. If you're not growing and learning, you're >dying.
>-The orientation is life-centered. The focus is on how to understand a >situation, perform a task, solve a problem, or live a satisfying life.
>-Teachers serve as facilitators and resources.
>-Learners are motivated by internal needs such as wanting greater >self-confidence, a better quality of life, recognition, self-esteem, and >a sense of control.
>-Learners are self-directing. They are in the best position to identify >their own needs and form their own learning objectives.
>-Learning readiness is based on a need to know. Facilitators help >learners assess where they want to be, where they are at present, and >how to close the gap.
>-Learners are teachers. They have a wealth of experience waiting to be >tapped. They benefit tremendously by exchanging ideas and information >based on their own experiences.
>-Facilitators are lifelong learners. They continually expand their >learning through the exchange of ideas and information.
>-Facilitators are process designers. They build a climate conducive to >dialogue and provide an environment of mutual respect, support, >openness, and enthusiasm.
>-Facilitators and learners collaborate in the learning process. >Planning, evaluation, and responsibility for learning are shared.
>(Reference: ANDROGOGY IN ACTION: APPLYING MODERN PRINCIPLES OF ADULT >LEARNING, Malcolm S. Knowles & Associates, 1985.)
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