Arun-Kumar Tripathi (tripathi@amadeus.statistik.uni-dortmund.de)
Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:29:36 +0100 (MET)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 16:29:36 +0100 (MET) From: Arun-Kumar Tripathi <tripathi@amadeus.statistik.uni-dortmund.de> Subject: RE: [ifets] Technolgy and Lifelong Learning
Dear Samantha and Rest of IFETS Members,
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998 S.J.E.Hobbs@open.ac.uk wrote:
> Dear Arun,
>
> OK I am responding!!!
>
Albeit tardily, I am greeting you!!
> I think that Dr Edwards was taking a still commonly held misconception
> that if 'courses' are written by an expert teacher, accessing them later
> in a 'personal and private' way means that no other teachers are
> necessary hence one excellent teacher teaching an unlimited number of
> students rather than students being dependant on the vaguaries of
> individual, accessible teacher's standards.
Further Dr.Carol Edwards added in the paper...
No one need be ashamed of what he or she does not know or how long it
takes to master new information. Learning with technology can be
nonjudgemental and self-paced. Using advantages of technology to expand
learning opportunities is particularly crucial because we live in a time
when learning is becoming a necessity not a luxury...WOW Great Comments!!
>
> My disagreement with this aspect of her statement, and the reason that I
> put inverted commas around 'courses' is that I believe that a course (or
> probably I mean 'learning experience') in any medium should differ from
> a 'book' with respect to human contact.
Yes, I am agree with you that Learning experience is different with the
different humans and also the social environment and atmosphere.
>
> If information is made available in ANY form (and I agree entirely that
> new technologies offer us many very useful and appropriate ways of doing
> this) it is like a book in that it IS that 'personal and private'
> experience. What makes an excellent learning experience in any medium or
> mix of media is the integration of information with interaction with
> peers, practitioners, teachers, tutors. My experience with the MAYDAY
> project (ref. below) and more recently with the extremely successful
> tutoring system (both on-line through conferencing/email and
> face-to-face) at the the OU UK have reinforced this view.
>
> Even those absolute believers in technological supremacy are seeing the
> need to integrate 'coaches', 'friends', 'learning assistants' into
> materials to simulate this contact and dialogue. Lots of fun and lots of
> research money to be had here in Intelligent Educational Systems design.
> The only problem from my point of view is that this is something that
> PEOPLE do better and do naturally. Even a supply (replacement) teacher'
> gives better help to a student in a class they have never met before
> than the best Intelligent on-line Tutors for all their powerful models.
> (See the refs at end of email for examples from MAYDAY project, not
> current but the issues in them have still not been addressed. (Cropp was
> my maiden name!))
>
Are these MAYDAY projects are available online!! if not then, Please send
me these two following papers, my address is:
Arun Kumar Tripathi
c/o Family Braun
Luetgenholthauser Strasse 99
44225, Dortmund
Germany
I am anxious!!
> Getting rid of the reliance on a 'teacher' as the sole source and owner
> of all knowledge and wisdom is, in my opinion, one of the major
> advantages of using WWW links and multiple sources in courses, but in
> doing so we should NOT 'throw out the baby with the bath water'. The
> 'baby' we need to hang on to is the interpretative role that other
> people and their differing attitudes and responses to information bring
> to a well rounded, thoughtful/thought provoking learning experience.
>
Here, I would like build a theoretical model, in a learning environment
the students, teachers and the medium (which they are using)..these three
are important aspects of a learning system, but the medium should be
different, though the medium used is different, then impacts of the
learning system will also be different!!
> Is totally 'private learning' like solitary sex? OK, but not really what
> it is about? (Please, no-one take offence!)
>
> I hope that was 'stirred up' enough for you Arun!!
Well, fantastic..Thanks for giving a challenge to me!!
>
> Samantha
>
> REFS from MAYDAY project
> Sussex, R., Cumming, G. and Cropp, S. (1994) 'Apprenticeship and
> interaction; language learning in the MAYDAY software environment.' In
> Ryan, M. (Ed.), APITITE 94 Conference proceedings. Proceedings of the
> Asia Pacific Information Technology in Training and Education Conference
> and Exhibition, Brisbane, June-July. (pp. 793-799)
>
> McDougall, A., Cumming, G., Sussex, R,. & Cropp, S. (1995). Learner
> modelling by expert teachers: Learner Information Space and the
> Minimal Learner Model. In J. D. Tinsley, & T.J. van Weert (Eds.), World
> Conference on Computers in Education VI. WCCE95: Liberating the
> learner. Proceedings of WCCE95 (6th IFIP World Conference on Computers
> and Education), Birmingham, UK, July. (pp. 733-
> 742)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arun-Kumar Tripathi
> [mailto:tripathi@amadeus.statistik.uni-dortmund.de]
> Sent: 26 November 1998 13:23
> To: International Forum of Educational Technology & Society
> Cc: Dr. Bob Leamnson; Kinshuk
> Subject: [ifets] Technolgy and Lifelong Learning
>
>
> Dear IFETS Forum Members, Dear Bob, Dear Dr.Kinshuk,
>
> I am watching very closely the ongoing discussions regarding,
> Technology
> and Tomorows. And, I would like to add some more important threads to
> the
> ongoing discussion to put some flame, to stir up.
>
> Today, when I was reading past issue of Communications of ACM (CACM)
> Magazines, there I found surprisingly the following statements re.
> Lifelong Learning (article) written by Dr. Carol Edwards in the May 1993
> Issue of CACM.
>
> Dr. Carol Edwards writes...
>
> Technology can make the lifelong learning a reality. With electronic
> tools, people can learn virtually any time and place they choose without
> obstacles such as poor transportation, fear of street crime, or lack of
> expert teachers (this I can not understand). Technology makes learning a
> private and personal experience, and seems to motivate learners - a
> particularly important factors for adults and children who experiences
> difficulty with traditional educational methods..
> (COPYRIGHT: CACM, May 93)
>
> More in next mails...
>
> Any thoughts??
>
Kind Regards
Arun
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